Originally published at: Magical Ink - The Happiest Pod on Earth
46: Ariel and Stef are joined by Dr. Jinxi Caddel for a heartfelt and art-filled dive into the world of tattoos, identity, and Disney fandom. From full Alice in Wonderland back pieces to tiny churro flash tats, this episode celebrates how ink becomes a personal archive of memory, culture, and connection.
Jinxi shares her journey from tattoo publishing to mental health, co-owning a tattoo shop, and running a private practice for those who color outside the lines. Together, they unpack stigma, nostalgia, and the healing power of self-expression—through Disney and beyond. Whether you’re tattooed, tattoo-curious, or just love a good Dole Whip, this one’s for you.
Summary
00:00 Hosts and guest introductions
02:00 Childhood Disney memories and first tattoos
04:00 Jinxi’s journey from tattoo publishing to psychology
08:00 Stigma, acceptance, and professional visibility
13:00 Tattoos in families and intergenerational storytelling
16:00 Favorite Disney tattoos—characters, quotes, and food!
20:00 Fandoms in ink: Star Wars, Marvel, and park icons
24:00 Flash tattoos and memory markers
28:00 Permanent makeup and cultural ties
32:00 Tattoos as affirmations and emotional touchstones
35:00 Therapeutic meaning behind body art
40:00 Building safe, expressive spaces in education and therapy
46:00 Final reflections and where to find Jinxi’s work
Transcription
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Hello, everyone.
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Welcome to the Happiest Pod on Earth.
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I’m Stef
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I’m an educator who uses passions
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and fandoms to help
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my students grow
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and learn about themselves
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and the world around them.
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And I’m Ariel, a licensed therapist
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who uses clients passions and fandoms
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to help them grow
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and heal from trauma
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and mental and wellness.
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And I am Jinxi
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and I’m a mental health therapist
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and a book publisher.
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And the tattoo shop owner,
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in Eugene, Oregon.
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I have a practice called Black
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Sleep Therapy,
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where, I like to help people who,
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like to color outside the lines.
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That might be black sheep
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or unicorns themselves.
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So I’m happy to be here.
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Wonderful.
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And here at Happiest Pod,
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we dissect Disney mediums
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So the critical lens. Why?
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Because we are more than just fans,
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and we expect more from the mediums
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we consume.
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So, what are we talking about today?
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Well, we have another very
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special guest on our podcast.
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Welcome, Dr. Jinxi Right?
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It is.
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Thank you so much.
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I appreciate it,
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but I’m so happy to be here.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And we’re we have a really fun topic
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to talk about.
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And,
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we talk about Disney art on many levels,
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but I think this is a level of Disney
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art that we haven’t quite talked about,
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which is body art and tattoos.
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And,
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I think with the recent,
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I think resurgence of tattoos
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and the accessibility
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to getting tattoos
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has been widely seen and respected.
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And, we just love
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especially going to the parks
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and seeing different
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interpretations of Disney art.
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And also,
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you know,
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we were really curious for you,
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Dr. Jinxi
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you’re kind of journey into your
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amazing life, I think, as a therapist
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and as an artist.
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I think it’s a very unique,
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perspective
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that not many people know about.
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Yeah. Well, thank you so much.
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I, you know, it’s funny because
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as a child, my very first experience
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with a tattoo was at Disneyland,
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and I was behind a girl in line
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who had a Cheshire
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cat tattoo on her back.
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And I thought it was like,
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the dreamiest thing I had ever seen,
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and I.
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I can’t remember
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how old I was, but I just
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it was locked in and I just knew
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someday I wanted tattoos to,
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And, I
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actually didn’t get
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my first tattoo until,
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like,
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my mid to late
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20s, after
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I had had all of my kids
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and, I was working as a, an editor
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and a writer
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for several,
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tattoo magazines at the time.
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And so that just opened
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my world
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into all of these incredible artists.
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And,
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my very first tattoo
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was a tiny little cherry on my ankle.
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And,
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and that has since grown into pretty much
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I have my whole head
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tattooed, down, down to my toes.
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Most of it’s covered.
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I have a couple little spots
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that I’m trying to hopefully
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be conservative them with now,
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because I don’t
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have much real estate left.
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But, that’s a real thing.
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That’s a real thing.
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The real estate is limited
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And, you know, I did it,
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when I first started,
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I was so into the art form
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and the, the camaraderie
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and just the whole experience
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of getting tattooed
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that I went full force,
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you know, like, once
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I was ready to do it,
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I was like, just going.
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So I.
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I covered up a lot,
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you know, my arms, pretty early on,
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a lot of the precious
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real estate got taken up,
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you know, in my early years.
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But, now I’m much more,
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you know, thoughtful. I think.
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So I worked
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in the publishing world
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for a long time in the tattoo realm,
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and,
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eventually worked
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for a publishing company in the,
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where I kind of learn
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the ropes of how to put books together.
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And then my husband
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and I, started Out of Step Books
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in, 2010.
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And we made art and tattoo books.
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We still run it,
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but we’re both pretty busy
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with lots of things.
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So we haven’t done a book
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for two years now,
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but we did 28 publications,
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including, two children’s books,
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and they’re all somehow tattoo related.
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What the
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the kids book is
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kind of a little dip
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into positive psychology
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about having a positive mental attitude,
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and it was illustrated
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by a tattoo artist.
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And then we have one of the other kids
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books is a little ABC book,
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and it was,
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26 tattoo artists
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each did a letter of the alphabet.
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It’s super cute and…. That’s amazing!
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Yeah,
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it was fun
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because we used to go
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to a lot of conventions
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to sell the books.
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And, you know, a lot of tattoo
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collectors have children.
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Yeah.
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It was just. Yeah.
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You know, it was pretty awesome
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to get to have that.
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And then when we moved to,
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Eugene, Oregon, we,
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opened the, tattoo
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shop, called Out of Step Tattoo.
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And at this time,
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I had gone back to school,
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many years ago
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to get my masters and my doctorate
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in clinical psychology.
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So I kind of, I still have
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my artistic ties because obviously, it’s
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my outlet,
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you know, for the things today,
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a part of my self-care.
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And, I need that in my life
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to be able to handle the work
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I do as a therapist.
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So it’s been a very unique,
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but awesome balance for me.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah.
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So I’m, I’m hearing
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that you got to
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really meld together
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different parts of yourself
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for authenticity
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And I’m hearing that as being
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it feeds you.
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It continues to rejuvenate
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you and be a new experience.
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Absolutely.
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And the tattoo community
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became so important in my life, too.
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You know, they I feel like it’s family.
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And it gave me so much.
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And the artists
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I worked with were so important,
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especially on the books.
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We would work with thousands of artists
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from across the world.
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So,
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it just became such a part of my life,
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you know?
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And honestly,
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shout out to the tattoo community,
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because when we were low
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on masks and gloves during the pandemic,
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a lot of tattoo artists
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donated those things to hospital.
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Like it was vital for us
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our ability
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to be able to move forward
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and take care of our healing professions.
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Absolutely
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I know it’s it’s
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really is an incredible community
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of people.
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And,
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I, I still I’m
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a co-owner of the tattoo shop.
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I don’t get to be
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there as much as I like
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because I’m always in my office.
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But, but my partner, runs it,
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and we have 12 amazing
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artists who are very, dedicated to
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and inclusive environment that,
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you know, that just delivers
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special and wonderful art to collectors.
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So it’s.
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Yeah, it’s it’s been a it’s been a
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I feel super lucky,
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you know, to have been on this journey
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in this way.
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And, you know,
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it’s funny
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because when I first went back to school,
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I was really concerned about my tattoos
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because I had very visible,
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you know, head, neck and hand tattoos
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and I didn’t know if, it would be okay.
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You know, in my, in the profession
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because I didn’t know if people would
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accept me and hire me.
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But, you know, it’s it’s been,
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I don’t feel like my tattoos
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have ever held me back at all
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in the mental health world. It’s been.
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If anything,
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I feel like
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it helps me to connect to my clients.
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Yeah.
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And,
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I think a lot of people maybe seek me out
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because they,
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they see things
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that they feel related to.
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So it’s it’s been it’s been cool.
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I’m curious.
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I know that you have tattoos
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all over your body with visible, Stef?
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Do you have tattoos
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because you’re in an education space?
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And is that was there worry there or now?
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Has the perception changed?
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Because I know that
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in the mental health field,
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we’re allowing clinicians
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to be more authentic,
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no longer the blank slate.
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So has that, experience you’re having?
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No, actually, when I
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finish school,
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because I finish school
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a little bit later,
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I got my teaching credential in Masters.
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A little bit later.
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Wasn’t left,
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like, right out of high school.
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I worked for a long time,
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when I was doing my student teaching,
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I met a lot of colleagues,
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especially in the schools,
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that I was doing my student teaching at,
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that had visible tattoos.
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Mainly they were on their arms.
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Sometimes they had them on their necks
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and things like that.
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But now being in Los Angeles, it’s
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it was a little bit
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more expected
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because we are
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we were
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kind of going into the wave
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of younger
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educators now
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because a lot of our
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educators were retiring.
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And some of my mentors,
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one of my mentors in particular,
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he was a musician as well,
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but he had been teaching in the
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LSD system for somewhat 20 years,
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and he had tattoos only on his arms.
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But,
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it totally took that stigma
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away from me immediately.
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And then when I got hired
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at the school that I’m currently in,
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my coworkers, they had tattoos.
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This one, they were female and nice.
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You know, the kids love them
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because they were colorful.
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Know the parents that we serve.
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They have tattoos, too.
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And I think
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now it’s it’s
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more of an expression of their art
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and things that they love
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as opposed to an identity marker.
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And, I know there was so many years
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that it was a negative identity marker,
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especially in certain areas of,
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you know, Los Angeles
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and other big cities.
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But I think slowly that stigma
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has kind of gone away now
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because these people,
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they’re just here with their families
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and they just want their kids
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to have a safe space
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where they can be themselves.
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So, I mean, I have
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two visible tattoos, but I have,
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you know, hope
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I’ve been wanting to have more,
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but having kids in the middle of it
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got kind of hard.
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But it’s true.
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But my husband, he’s,
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you know,
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we’ve mentioned before
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he’s enlisted in the military,
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and he is all tatted up, but,
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you know,
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even though
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they have certain regulations,
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I think when he changes into his,
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physical training clothes,
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everyone’s like, oh, my gosh,
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I didn’t know you were blasting
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all your arms and legs.
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And it’s a conversation piece.
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And, yeah,
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you know, for him,
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we were just at Disney World recently,
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and so many people come up to him
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and ask him, hey, man, I love your ink.
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Like I really love the art.
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You know, like,
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you know, just kudos to you.
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And that’s how they strike
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conversation and commonality.
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And even though
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they weren’t Disney tattoos,
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they just admire the work of the artist.
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And that in itself creates community.
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And it’s so beautiful to see. Totally.
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I, I love to hear that so many educators
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have visible tattoos.
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That makes me so happy.
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It’s so, so awesome.
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I, I worked for a short period of time
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in high school
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and middle school
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as a therapist,
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and I again,
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I was worried,
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you know, that it
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it might not be cool with the parents and
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but it just
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I think as you said, the stigma
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has changed
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You know we are
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we’re it’s just different.
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And people
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are accepting
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and appreciating the art form.
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And I love to hear that for myself.
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I do not have any tattoos.
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However,
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my grandmother got her
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first tattoo in her 60s
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because she couldn’t
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draw her eyeliner on.
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It was because of her arthritis.
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So she went to the doctor
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and the doctor did a tattoo. Eyeliner.
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Oh, that’s so cute.
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I know my aunt in her 60s
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got her first tattoo
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and it was lip liner again
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because she didn’t know the time.
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So I think I have to uphold that
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tradition to where my first tattoo
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needs to be on my face. And my 60s.
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That’s what I’ve decided.
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That’s a big commitment.
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Yeah.
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You know,
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permanent
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makeup artists are incredible
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to that whole that whole, craft has, has
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just changed leaps and bounds as well.
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And it’s it’s
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how amazing
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is it right to be able to have that that.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think the first
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like the first experience
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that I had
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with my family members
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getting anything that resembled
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a tattoo was permanent makeup
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because I remember
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my aunts would go back to the Philippines
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and they would get permanent makeup done
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because they simply just
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didn’t want to do the routine
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every single day.
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Yeah.
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And I was
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and I know the ink
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pattern was a little bit different
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because it would like,
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somehow fade to like blue
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or purple after a while.
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But now, I mean, the
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technology has changed
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because I was like,
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I like, is that a rite of passage
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that I have to do,
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like one day
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when I don’t have any eyebrows,
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which is fine,
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but I don’t know
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if I like the color blue. Yeah.
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But luckily,
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you know, I’m smart enough to know
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now that the technology
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has changed to wear,
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you know, stay the same color.
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But, yeah,
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I don’t have to live with myself.
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The permanent eye makeup I love.
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Yeah, the ink.
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Companies have come
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so far to everything.
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Oh, man.
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It compared to when we started,
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you know, 25, almost 30 years ago,
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getting tattooed, it’s
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changed so, so significantly.
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And it’s so exciting to see all of the,
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Leaps and bounds
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It’s it’s become. It’s pretty.
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It’s pretty exciting.
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Okay, well, as we know,
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this is a Disney podcast.
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So yeah, the fact that you own a tattoo
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shop, what are the Disney tattoos
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that you’ve seen?
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I do know for us on episode 39,
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The Battle of the Pumpkin King,
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we had an author named Dan Conner on,
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and he wrote a graphic novel,
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oh, The Battle for Pumpkin King.
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And he said he’s
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seen so many Nightmare
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Before Christmas tattoos at conventions
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And that’s, like,
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very popular characters to have.
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So cool.
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Well,
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I mean, just because of the beloved
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ness of Disney characters, it’s
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it’s always going to be such
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a popular thing.
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You know,
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I have,
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the little oyster babies on my arm,
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and my whole,
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my whole back is, Alice in Wonderland.
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Disney Alice
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Yeah.
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So, I love that.
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I love them, too.
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I oh, man, I can’t even
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I don’t even know where to start with.
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I think a lot of people do, quotes,
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you know,
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things like, like Hakuna matata or,
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you know,
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doing the,
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To infinity and beyond things like that, you know,
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but then the characters I, you see
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such a huge,
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array.
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I think Tinkerbell has always
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been very, popular.
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She’s, you know, just the magical element
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and, her feistiness and,
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Alice in Wonderland does seem to be
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still very popular.
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You know, Lilo and Stitch,
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I think we’ve seen a lot.
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Ohana, just, you know, that
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that whole
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family,
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anything that can tie things together
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that you hold dear to yourself.
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I see a lot of Disney theme park tattoos.
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I recently saw a cool, on Instagram.
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I saw a cool, Dole whip, tattoo.
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That is so cute.
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And,
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just like the Mickey Mouse, ice cream bars
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of course, the castle is huge.
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And,
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Oh, man, it’s endless, right?
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Because everybody
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has their special character or saying
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or memory
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that they want to keep with them.
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And yeah,
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I think that element of nostalgia, and,
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and also just the, associations
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that it can have for people is so,
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so special. So yeah.
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Yeah, yeah,
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I definitely seen
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a lot of the food items
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as like flash tattoos
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because they’re just so easy to do
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and they’re very quick.
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And it’s just a little trinket
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of like a churro or like you say,
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a Mickey pops or a Dole whip
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or even like a popcorn bucket.
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I’ve seen,
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but yeah,
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I it’s just as like, simple as,
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you know, getting an enamel pin.
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I feel like
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it’s like you collect those things
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to show on your body as opposed
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to, like, your bag.
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You know, it’s something
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that you’re probably going to love
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forever is tied to a special memory,
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which is, you know, I think pretty cool.
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Well,
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Disney has, like,
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Marvel and Star Wars like.
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And that franchise.
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Oh, more and more of those tattoos.
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Lots of, like, Captain America’s shield.
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So lots of like Wakanda Forever.
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I, I’ve seen a numerous amount of those.
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And then every kind of lightsaber.
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Imagine light side, dark side rebels.
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Yeah.
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I wasn’t even thinking of the Star Wars
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part of it because,
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as you know, that is just
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an incredibly huge
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genre of tattoos in itself.
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There are some tattoo artists who
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that’s all they do
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because they have such
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a demand for it
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that that’s all they could keep up,
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you know?
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And same with Disney.
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There are so many tattoo artists
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who specialize in Disney themed tattoos,
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and they have such huge
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waiting lists
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that they don’t need to do anything else,
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you know?
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Oh,
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I was thinking to like the glass slipper.
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The apple from Snow White
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You know, just all those iconic
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things that that, you know,
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as soon as you look at it.
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What it is, Yes.
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And same with the food.
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Those things are so memorable.
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You know,
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we we all know exactly what it is
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as soon as you see it.
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So. Yeah, like you said, like iconic.
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Yes.
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It. And
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like nobody else can do it like Disney.
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Right.
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So I feel like it’s just it
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you see it and you know and it’s also has
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a special meaning to the,
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the person who’s wearing it.
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Yeah.
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I’m curious to know, are there
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people still a little embarrassed
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that they’re getting a Disney tattoo
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that you’ve seen?
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Because, you know,
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there’s talk about Disney adults
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and, you know, like, oh,
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that’s so childish.
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And I know that some
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sometimes, I mean,
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usually a tattoo is symbolize,
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you know, to
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to make you appear a certain way,
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maybe intimidating or what have you.
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But has there people been you know,
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I do want to get this tattoo,
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but I’m a little embarrassed, you know,
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I can’t
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I can’t recall anything like that.
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I’m sure that that happens.
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But I feel like
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getting tattooed
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is such an empowering thing
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that when you decide
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that you’re
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dedicating this space
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on your body to something,
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if that’s what you love and
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care about,
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you’re probably really proud to wear it.
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You know,
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regardless of how
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the rest of the world sees you.
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And I think that Disney,
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Disney adults, Disney fans like that.
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They love it, right? That’s true.
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It.
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Yeah, but I’m sure that that’s there.
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I, I can’t think of an instance
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where I have seen that,
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but I’m sure that, you know,
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people who observe of them might still
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say that talking about the empowerment
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for you,
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what have you noticed
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as the benefits
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of tattooing,
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the benefits of getting a tattoo
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on the end?
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I feel like it’s such an endless list.
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You know,
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I think it’s so it can become
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so connected to a person’s identity
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and what they hold,
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important to themselves.
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It can
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and it can encompass past memories,
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things that have happened in your life
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as well as dreams for your future.
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And, I think, like we talked about
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with the nostalgia,
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things that
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have been important to you
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in your childhood that you want to relive
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and remember, I think a really big thing
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I’ve seen
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is that community,
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sense of belongingness
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that can be so important
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to our mental health and well-being.
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You know, having
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those social identities that,
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that, you know, you belong somewhere.
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It can be so empowering for somebody.
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And is that form of expression
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because that as we know
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that when you decide to take that on,
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to wear it on your body,
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you’re giving a bold statement
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about, about yourself and, yeah,
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what you’re willing to,
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portray to the world.
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I see
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a lot
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of my clients do I see wear tattoos,
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and we use it so often in the work
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just because it can be,
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such a form of healing.
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If you’re overcoming trauma
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and you want to
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learn how to take that power back,
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it can be just great reminders
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to look down
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at something
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that helps you to stay strong or a, or,
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a quote or something that
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that it has been
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important in your healing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I, I for me, it
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it has become a very important
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part of my identity.
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I think it helped me to become,
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to step outside of
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barriers that were created for me
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as a child and,
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and be able to kind of become
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my own person.
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And as you, as you weave them
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all together,
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that becomes stronger and stronger.
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It did for me. Yeah.
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So it it’s, I don’t know, I,
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I just for me, it’s
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been such an incredible part
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of my own journey
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and tool to use
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with people that I work with.
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I think it really gives another meaning
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to being comfortable in your skin. Right?
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Because I think
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once you get past that barrier of,
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hey, this is me,
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I’m just going to wear it
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proudly on my body.
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That you don’t have to think about it
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consciously anymore.
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You’re not so much in your head
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and you’re just like, hey,
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and this is it.
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Just accept me as I am or,
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you know, move along. You sort of thing.
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It totally.
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And and that, you know,
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when people have been
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through really hard things,
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in their lives, sometimes you,
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you need that.
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You just need
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whatever tool that is.
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And,
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and sometimes tattoos can just be such,
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helpful part of that,
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I think, to,
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to help somebody to make those decisions,
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make those commitments and,
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and then proudly wear it.
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Is it
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something that you
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hold with you every day?
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And that can be such a great reminder?
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Yeah, I noticed in my practice,
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when we are talking about tattoos,
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it often aligns with someone’s
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grief experience. Right? With them.
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Yeah.
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Or a date, or an image.
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And the really beautiful thing about
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it is not only does it honor that loss,
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but it opens the door
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to be able to talk about this person.
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And I know for
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my clients
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recovering from grief,
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everyone’s afraid to like, make them sad.
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Oh, we don’t mention it.
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We don’t say anything
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because we don’t want to.
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We don’t want to bring stuff up.
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And they want to talk
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about the person they lost.
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They want to celebrate them
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It doesn’t just bring sadness, it
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brings joy and lots of nostalgia,
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lots of loving memories.
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And with a tattoo with a beautiful image,
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someone will ask about it
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and it opens up the door
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to have the conversation.
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And it didn’t start from them
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asking out of fear.
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Was curiosity right?
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That oh, that you nailed it.
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That’s that’s so, so powerful, isn’t it?
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Because memorial tattoos,
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they can mean so much to people
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and as you said, opening that door
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and being able to have a conversation
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starter that, in fact, it’s funny,
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is that because I do have a client who,
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his father passed away and
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was a guitar player
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and got a tattoo of a guitar,
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with, like, the banner that says Dad
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And,
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that has happened so many times for them
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where you know,
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somebody comments on the tattoo,
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and then
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they get to explain how important
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and meaningful
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that is without, as you said, making,
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you know,
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that helps them to open the door
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to talk about it
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so that they’re
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the person on the receiving end
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doesn’t feel
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bad or wonder about
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when it’s appropriate to talk.
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And memorial tattoos are so special.
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And whether it’s it’s a portrait of a
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loved one or a date or name or a pet,
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I have a tattoo of a special little kitty
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that we lost a few years ago that I see
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every day, and I it means so much to me.
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And yeah, I, I agree, memorial
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tattoos are such a gift, you know,
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because it it helps a person to heal
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and keep that with them in a positive way
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and, and help the world
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around them to also feel comfortable.
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Yeah, definitely.
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And you know, on the note
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of telling a story,
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whether it’s a story of grief
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or a story of love,
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we also know that tattoos are a symbol
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of cultural expression as well.
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So I know that,
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you know,
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many more people are honing in
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on their cultural expression.
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I know for myself,
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and I know we’re Filipina Americans,
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and so many Filipinos
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are tapping into that,
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sense of, you know, tribe and family
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to an ancient place
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that we we’ve never
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experienced will want to grow,
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you know, closer
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to where I know
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that, you know, for Disney fans,
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they want to be connected
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to certain cultures
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that they might not be connected to.
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But to use tattoos is a bridge to
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something like that.
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So for have you seen like, certain ways
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that people have embraced kind of,
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you know, that culture in that way?
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Oh for sure. I mean,
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first, it’s so it’s so special
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to be able
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to understand
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some of the roots of tattooing.
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Like the Tā Moko,
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with indigenous, people in New Zealand
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and, Irezumi is the tattoo in, Japan.
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And to be able to
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look at some of the origins of that,
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because you do see how essential
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that is in, in their community,
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you know, women who receive the,
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the chin tattoos in New Zealand.
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A few years ago, there was a,
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newscaster there who, proudly
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wears hers and, and it was, on the news.
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And it was such a amazing step for,
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allowing that to be normalized.
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And I,
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I love to see how all of that comes back
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around when people come in
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and want something
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connected to their cultural
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and their heritage.
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It’s because those are the the roots.
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You know,
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tattooing is so rich in
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in this historical
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form of storytelling and,
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and that’s your way to also carry that.
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I am so happy that, Disney has,
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Moana
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we were able to see a tattooed character.
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I, I would love to see them
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continue this,
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maybe to even work with, tattoo
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artists, indigenous
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tattoo artists to be able to incorporate
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true forms of,
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into other character development.
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That would be so exciting to see.
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And, and wouldn’t
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it be great to see more tattoo
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characters, you know, just in general,
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because as we’ve talked about
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this is
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a very normal part of our culture.
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Now, a lot of people wear tattoos.
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And I
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think, if I’m not mistaken,
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we only have one
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Disney character with tattoos right now.
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We have Maui.
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Maui.
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Moana doesn’t get it.
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Looks like Moana gets hers right.
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In the next movie,
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we saw a trailer and then Pocahontas.
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Oh you’re right.
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Oh of course, yeah, but unfortunately,
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you know, Pocahontas
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is based off of a real person,
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and her tattoos
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are actually very intricate.
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According to, like,
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what some of the imagery was.
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So what they have,
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I think that they show her
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having is very,
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very basic as the youths say right.
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I was the band and then.
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Yeah,
00:31:23:13 – 00:31:24:00
if you
00:31:24:00 – 00:31:25:00
if you want to
00:31:25:00 – 00:31:28:02
maybe argue it does you know
00:31:28:02 – 00:31:31:02
Andy writing his name on his toys
00:31:31:02 – 00:31:32:03
is that tattooing
00:31:34:17 – 00:31:35:18
I would
00:31:35:18 – 00:31:36:15
I like to
00:31:36:15 – 00:31:37:22
think it’s
00:31:37:22 – 00:31:40:12
well it’s a form of of marking.
00:31:40:12 – 00:31:41:00
Right.
00:31:41:00 – 00:31:44:19
Which a tattoo is an obviously becomes
00:31:44:19 – 00:31:48:03
so essential to the story when,
00:31:48:14 – 00:31:52:14
when he’s questioning his value
00:31:52:14 – 00:31:53:15
to Andy
00:31:53:15 – 00:31:55:09
when Woody is questioning his value.
00:31:55:09 – 00:31:59:01
And that kind of connects that to
00:31:59:05 – 00:32:02:04
because, sometimes getting tattoo
00:32:02:04 – 00:32:05:15
can help us to establish or identity.
00:32:06:08 – 00:32:08:15
So I would love to think
00:32:08:15 – 00:32:10:02
that they’re going for that.
00:32:10:02 – 00:32:12:10
But what do you guys think?
00:32:12:10 – 00:32:13:00
I mean,
00:32:13:00 – 00:32:16:02
we it’s still a form of marking though.
00:32:16:02 – 00:32:18:13
And,
00:32:18:13 – 00:32:20:15
and, you know, just
00:32:20:15 – 00:32:23:15
the importance of him
00:32:24:05 – 00:32:27:00
or the two characters to each other,
00:32:27:00 – 00:32:28:09
you know, yeah,
00:32:28:09 – 00:32:30:09
it’s funny that you mentioned Andy
00:32:30:09 – 00:32:32:08
questioning his, like,
00:32:32:08 – 00:32:33:21
I guess, allegiance to whoever
00:32:33:21 – 00:32:35:14
it was his owner at the time,
00:32:35:14 – 00:32:37:20
because I was thinking, you know, if he,
00:32:37:20 – 00:32:39:10
you know, had any contemplation
00:32:39:10 – 00:32:41:01
on taking that away,
00:32:41:01 – 00:32:42:15
it was like as if he was breaking up
00:32:42:15 – 00:32:44:03
with Andy.
00:32:44:03 – 00:32:44:15
Like, you know,
00:32:44:15 – 00:32:46:02
when somebody gets a tattoo of,
00:32:46:02 – 00:32:46:20
like, a form or,
00:32:46:20 – 00:32:48:19
you know, like, significant other
00:32:48:19 – 00:32:49:20
and they don’t want to remember
00:32:49:20 – 00:32:50:19
that anymore.
00:32:50:19 – 00:32:51:03
I was like,
00:32:51:03 – 00:32:53:00
is he technically lasering this away?
00:32:53:00 – 00:32:54:00
Like, yeah,
00:32:54:00 – 00:32:54:08
you know,
00:32:54:08 – 00:32:54:20
because he doesn’t
00:32:54:20 – 00:32:55:17
want anything to do with
00:32:55:17 – 00:32:56:22
but you,
00:32:56:22 – 00:32:59:19
you know, only go during that parallel.
00:32:59:19 – 00:33:01:08
Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:01:08 – 00:33:01:17
Yeah.
00:33:01:17 – 00:33:04:05
I would love to see more of that.
00:33:04:05 – 00:33:05:21
I know, I know, yeah.
00:33:05:21 – 00:33:06:05
Go ahead.
00:33:06:05 – 00:33:06:13
Well,
00:33:06:13 – 00:33:07:04
when I think of
00:33:07:04 – 00:33:08:19
representation of tattoos,
00:33:08:19 – 00:33:10:02
aside from those characters,
00:33:10:02 – 00:33:12:03
we have like what Jack Sparrow
00:33:12:03 – 00:33:13:16
and anybody who is a pirate.
00:33:13:16 – 00:33:15:18
Yeah. True.
00:33:15:18 – 00:33:17:11
And that which,
00:33:17:11 – 00:33:19:07
which kind of hearkens back
00:33:19:07 – 00:33:22:04
more to the stigmatized way
00:33:22:04 – 00:33:23:16
of seeing that. Right.
00:33:23:16 – 00:33:27:12
Because but wouldn’t
00:33:27:12 – 00:33:31:01
it be an amazing opportunity to teach
00:33:31:09 – 00:33:34:02
about cultural heritage
00:33:34:02 – 00:33:35:11
and the connection
00:33:35:11 – 00:33:36:21
of, of those characters
00:33:36:21 – 00:33:39:10
and to do their part
00:33:39:10 – 00:33:42:05
with normalizing tattoos?
00:33:42:05 – 00:33:44:21
Because I mean it
00:33:44:21 – 00:33:46:12
I understand needing
00:33:46:12 – 00:33:48:04
to keep the balance for children.
00:33:48:04 – 00:33:50:15
However, children are exposed
00:33:50:15 – 00:33:52:23
to tattoo people all the time. Yes.
00:33:52:23 – 00:33:55:16
And I, you know, growing.
00:33:55:16 – 00:33:57:05
When my kids grew up,
00:33:57:05 – 00:33:59:13
we obviously were tattooed
00:33:59:13 – 00:34:01:07
and we tried to incorporate
00:34:01:07 – 00:34:03:10
lots of different art into the house.
00:34:03:10 – 00:34:05:14
And I really find that
00:34:05:14 – 00:34:07:12
when when you normalize
00:34:07:12 – 00:34:09:14
something, they’re not scared of it
00:34:09:14 – 00:34:11:21
and they don’t think it’s taboo
00:34:11:21 – 00:34:12:14
and, and like,
00:34:12:14 – 00:34:15:18
they don’t want to rebel back to it
00:34:15:18 – 00:34:19:18
as much as when you, repress it
00:34:19:18 – 00:34:21:19
and teach them that it’s scary.
00:34:22:18 – 00:34:24:13
So I would just love to
00:34:24:13 – 00:34:25:01
see them
00:34:25:01 – 00:34:25:22
just, you know,
00:34:25:22 – 00:34:27:16
not know that they think,
00:34:27:16 – 00:34:28:07
yeah,
00:34:28:07 – 00:34:29:09
we have to get
00:34:29:09 – 00:34:31:09
them head tattoos or facial,
00:34:31:09 – 00:34:32:16
but just easy. Cool.
00:34:32:16 – 00:34:34:12
They have a few new characters
00:34:34:12 – 00:34:38:00
that just sported something, you know.
00:34:38:04 – 00:34:38:21
So, you know,
00:34:38:21 – 00:34:40:11
I always thought that,
00:34:40:11 – 00:34:40:19
you know,
00:34:40:19 – 00:34:42:22
we didn’t get tattoos on characters
00:34:42:22 – 00:34:44:03
because I thought it was difficult
00:34:44:03 – 00:34:47:16
for the animators to like, portray
00:34:48:03 – 00:34:49:22
like a really good piece of art
00:34:49:22 – 00:34:52:12
because sometimes it can get so intricate
00:34:52:12 – 00:34:53:23
and you don’t want to,
00:34:53:23 – 00:34:55:15
you know, make that dull
00:34:55:15 – 00:34:56:20
and you don’t want it to be a bad
00:34:56:20 – 00:34:58:15
looking tattoo.
00:34:58:15 – 00:35:00:05
But I mean, when they did Maui,
00:35:00:05 – 00:35:03:02
I think the CGI and also
00:35:03:02 – 00:35:04:19
the animation has gone so far
00:35:04:19 – 00:35:06:08
that maybe there’s a little bit
00:35:06:08 – 00:35:07:18
easier for, you know, digital
00:35:07:18 – 00:35:09:05
animators to do that.
00:35:09:05 – 00:35:11:06
Because when I saw Maui’s
00:35:11:06 – 00:35:12:09
I was like, these are good.
00:35:12:09 – 00:35:14:15
Look, you know, they’re accurate, right?
00:35:14:15 – 00:35:15:10
Portrayed
00:35:15:10 – 00:35:16:17
and they don’t look weird
00:35:16:17 – 00:35:18:14
and they look great on the skin.
00:35:18:14 – 00:35:19:10
But, you know,
00:35:19:10 – 00:35:20:21
I can imagine if that was harder
00:35:20:21 – 00:35:23:09
for like a 2D animation to do that.
00:35:23:09 – 00:35:24:12
So, you know,
00:35:24:12 – 00:35:25:07
I don’t know if you guys
00:35:25:07 – 00:35:26:16
had a thought about that
00:35:26:16 – 00:35:28:19
because he does move
00:35:28:19 – 00:35:31:17
and they flow with the movements
00:35:31:17 – 00:35:32:15
really well.
00:35:32:15 – 00:35:35:05
That’s a that’s a great point.
00:35:35:05 – 00:35:36:08
Yeah.
00:35:36:08 – 00:35:39:08
But that they can do it I know they can.
00:35:39:11 – 00:35:40:10
Yeah, I could do it.
00:35:40:10 – 00:35:41:17
I have a feeling we can
00:35:41:17 – 00:35:42:19
if we believe in you,
00:35:42:19 – 00:35:45:18
get more tattooed individuals in Disney.
00:35:45:18 – 00:35:47:03
It’s going to come from Pixar.
00:35:48:07 – 00:35:50:11
Oh I get it’s for the money.
00:35:50:11 – 00:35:50:22
Right.
00:35:50:22 – 00:35:53:22
So yeah that’s for the money.
00:35:56:12 – 00:35:58:12
I going back to the cultural
00:35:58:12 – 00:35:59:06
element though,
00:35:59:06 – 00:36:00:13
I, I just,
00:36:00:13 – 00:36:03:03
I think that’s such a great opportunity
00:36:03:03 – 00:36:05:16
to really have those accurate,
00:36:05:16 – 00:36:08:19
you know, depictions of something
00:36:08:19 – 00:36:11:19
that can be so important.
00:36:12:03 – 00:36:13:02
And, and I know
00:36:13:02 – 00:36:15:05
we saw the one part of the song
00:36:15:05 – 00:36:17:12
where the one guy was getting his tattoo.
00:36:17:12 – 00:36:20:00
That’s how that’s that’s true.
00:36:20:00 – 00:36:22:19
So so kudos to that.
00:36:22:19 – 00:36:23:21
Yeah.
00:36:23:21 – 00:36:26:02
So I and I would like to think
00:36:26:02 – 00:36:28:04
that as we progress
00:36:28:04 – 00:36:30:18
that that will change to. Right.
00:36:30:18 – 00:36:33:01
Because things that,
00:36:33:01 – 00:36:35:16
that they incorporated years ago
00:36:35:16 – 00:36:37:02
have certainly changed
00:36:37:02 – 00:36:40:02
with women’s roles and
00:36:40:02 – 00:36:42:15
and just progress in general.
00:36:42:15 – 00:36:45:00
So fingers crossed.
00:36:45:00 – 00:36:45:06
Well,
00:36:45:06 – 00:36:46:05
and then speaking
00:36:46:05 – 00:36:47:17
in the cultural component Stef
00:36:47:17 – 00:36:48:23
I think when your husband
00:36:48:23 – 00:36:50:16
had to get one of his tattoos, didn’t
00:36:50:16 – 00:36:51:21
he have to like, answer
00:36:51:21 – 00:36:52:19
this questionnaire
00:36:52:19 – 00:36:54:23
for lineage, for certain imagery
00:36:54:23 – 00:36:56:17
and things that could be used
00:36:56:17 – 00:36:58:02
that were like that
00:36:58:02 – 00:36:59:08
historically represents
00:36:59:08 – 00:37:00:16
a certain tribe of people?
00:37:01:15 – 00:37:02:00
Yeah.
00:37:02:00 – 00:37:03:06
So there’s a place here
00:37:03:06 – 00:37:04:01
in Orange County,
00:37:04:01 – 00:37:05:13
actually, that specializes
00:37:05:13 – 00:37:07:07
in tribal Filipino tattoos.
00:37:07:07 – 00:37:08:09
Oh, okay.
00:37:08:09 – 00:37:10:04
So it was like a lengthy,
00:37:10:04 – 00:37:13:08
like, multi-month process where we had to
00:37:13:22 – 00:37:15:01
we had to like,
00:37:15:01 – 00:37:15:21
kind of dig deep
00:37:15:21 – 00:37:17:00
and see what his grandmother
00:37:17:00 – 00:37:17:23
did for living,
00:37:17:23 – 00:37:18:21
what his grandfather
00:37:18:21 – 00:37:21:05
did on both sides of his family, kind of,
00:37:21:05 – 00:37:22:18
you know, like what their,
00:37:22:18 – 00:37:25:02
what their role was in the family
00:37:25:02 – 00:37:25:09
and like,
00:37:25:09 – 00:37:27:05
what industry that they worked in.
00:37:27:05 – 00:37:29:21
And they work that into his entire sleeve
00:37:29:21 – 00:37:30:18
and his sleeve
00:37:30:18 – 00:37:33:15
basically tells the story of his family,
00:37:33:15 – 00:37:34:21
what he does for a living.
00:37:34:21 – 00:37:36:01
He’s in communication.
00:37:36:01 – 00:37:38:05
So he had, like little lightning bolts
00:37:38:05 – 00:37:39:06
that like, symbolize,
00:37:39:06 – 00:37:39:19
you know,
00:37:39:19 – 00:37:41:20
the transfer of like, information
00:37:41:20 – 00:37:42:15
and things like that.
00:37:42:15 – 00:37:44:20
So yeah, it was it was really great.
00:37:44:20 – 00:37:45:14
And it helped us
00:37:45:14 – 00:37:47:02
learn more about his lineage,
00:37:47:02 – 00:37:48:11
which we wouldn’t have known
00:37:48:11 – 00:37:50:19
if he didn’t decide to do that.
00:37:50:19 – 00:37:51:05
Wow.
00:37:51:05 – 00:37:52:09
So is this
00:37:52:09 – 00:37:55:07
are these things that the tattoo
00:37:55:07 – 00:37:55:20
you artist
00:37:55:20 – 00:38:00:02
or the shop did research on to wow.
00:38:00:08 – 00:38:01:03
That is it is.
00:38:02:07 – 00:38:03:10
And then the next part of it
00:38:03:10 – 00:38:05:06
is the actual work, the
00:38:05:06 – 00:38:07:20
oh my gosh, that’s amazing process.
00:38:07:20 – 00:38:10:15
What it’s like a genealogy project
00:38:10:15 – 00:38:12:06
that comes to life on skin.
00:38:12:06 – 00:38:15:15
And that’s really amazing and so special.
00:38:15:15 – 00:38:17:19
That just makes it so special.
00:38:17:19 – 00:38:18:15
You know,
00:38:18:15 – 00:38:19:08
any time
00:38:19:08 – 00:38:20:09
you have an artist
00:38:20:09 – 00:38:24:04
that goes to those lengths and really cares
00:38:24:04 – 00:38:26:12
about the final product,
00:38:26:12 – 00:38:28:12
that’s that’s magic.
00:38:28:12 – 00:38:31:14
You know, that’s that’s so amazing.
00:38:32:02 – 00:38:34:13
And he must be so proud to wear it
00:38:34:13 – 00:38:36:08
and to tell the story. Right.
00:38:36:08 – 00:38:38:09
Because the story
00:38:38:09 – 00:38:39:19
he has to like kind of figure out
00:38:39:19 – 00:38:41:00
how he’s going to say it
00:38:41:00 – 00:38:42:21
because there’s so much to talk about.
00:38:42:21 – 00:38:44:05
But sometimes somebody asks him,
00:38:44:05 – 00:38:45:21
like in line at Disneyland.
00:38:45:21 – 00:38:47:18
So he has like two seconds to like
00:38:47:18 – 00:38:48:08
this background.
00:38:49:11 – 00:38:51:03
My mom said, okay, bye.
00:38:51:03 – 00:38:51:15
See you later.
00:38:51:15 – 00:38:52:03
Thank you.
00:38:52:03 – 00:38:53:17
Oh, that’s so cute.
00:38:53:17 – 00:38:55:11
Or hours in line.
00:38:55:11 – 00:38:57:03
I mean, you get maybe.
00:38:57:03 – 00:38:58:13
No, I’m just kidding. What?
00:38:58:13 – 00:38:59:16
When you don’t have Genie+
00:38:59:16 – 00:39:02:02
When we don’t have lightning lane, Right.
00:39:02:02 – 00:39:02:21
Nope.
00:39:02:21 – 00:39:06:20
So we have been in Oregon since 2015,
00:39:07:07 – 00:39:09:09
but we used to be annual passholders,
00:39:09:09 – 00:39:12:09
so we lived in, we I was telling Ariel that,
00:39:12:12 – 00:39:15:05
I lived in Riverside most of my life
00:39:15:05 – 00:39:16:05
growing up.
00:39:16:05 – 00:39:17:16
So I used to go all the time.
00:39:17:16 – 00:39:18:05
I mean, I know
00:39:18:05 – 00:39:21:05
things have changed so much, so I don’t
00:39:21:05 – 00:39:22:17
I don’t fully understand
00:39:22:17 – 00:39:25:22
all of the new rules, with lines and all.
00:39:25:22 – 00:39:27:05
There’s a lot to know.
00:39:27:05 – 00:39:28:11
And you know what?
00:39:28:11 – 00:39:29:21
We’ll save that for another podcast.
00:39:29:21 – 00:39:31:09
Okay, there we go.
00:39:33:06 – 00:39:33:16
That’s
00:39:33:16 – 00:39:34:11
really, really
00:39:34:11 – 00:39:35:16
cool about your husband’s
00:39:35:16 – 00:39:36:18
tattoo, though,
00:39:36:18 – 00:39:39:13
I, I think it’s amazing
00:39:39:13 – 00:39:42:07
that there is a shop that can
00:39:42:07 – 00:39:43:14
isn’t that cool, that
00:39:43:14 – 00:39:47:10
there can be a shop that is so focused on
00:39:48:05 – 00:39:52:06
such a particular community, so amazing.
00:39:52:06 – 00:39:53:03
It’s really.
00:39:53:03 – 00:39:53:12
Yeah.
00:39:53:12 – 00:39:55:13
And knowing that there, you know,
00:39:55:13 – 00:39:57:23
we do have like a cultural history
00:39:57:23 – 00:39:59:08
of that being, you know,
00:39:59:08 – 00:40:00:09
you know, attached to us.
00:40:00:09 – 00:40:02:09
I think it’s great that there’s people
00:40:02:09 – 00:40:04:04
who do their research and continue
00:40:04:04 – 00:40:05:20
on that tradition for,
00:40:05:20 – 00:40:06:14
you know, those,
00:40:06:14 – 00:40:08:06
you know, us in the diaspora
00:40:08:06 – 00:40:11:05
that don’t have access to it because,
00:40:11:05 – 00:40:11:13
all right,
00:40:11:13 – 00:40:12:23
you know, our country so far away.
00:40:12:23 – 00:40:14:15
So it was really, really great.
00:40:14:15 – 00:40:16:01
So cool.
00:40:16:01 – 00:40:19:01
And yeah, I love that.
00:40:19:02 – 00:40:21:08
And you know, that really sets artists
00:40:21:08 – 00:40:21:23
apart too,
00:40:21:23 – 00:40:23:19
because there are a lot of
00:40:23:19 – 00:40:25:14
tattoo artists in the world nowadays.
00:40:25:14 – 00:40:26:04
And when you
00:40:26:04 – 00:40:27:09
when you have something
00:40:27:09 – 00:40:31:04
so niche like that but and special it’s
00:40:31:12 – 00:40:33:08
it’s brilliant honestly.
00:40:33:08 – 00:40:35:03
So super cool.
00:40:35:03 – 00:40:36:01
Yeah.
00:40:36:01 – 00:40:36:15
I’m, I’m
00:40:36:15 – 00:40:39:00
curious do with the tattoo artists
00:40:39:00 – 00:40:39:21
that you’ve worked with
00:40:39:21 – 00:40:42:23
or talked to when you have already iconic
00:40:42:23 – 00:40:45:23
imagery like Disney imagery does that
00:40:46:22 – 00:40:47:09
bring more
00:40:47:09 – 00:40:50:19
challenge to how they create the art,
00:40:50:19 – 00:40:51:19
or does it
00:40:51:19 – 00:40:52:18
like having that
00:40:52:18 – 00:40:54:12
that already iconic imagery
00:40:54:12 – 00:40:55:12
make it easier?
00:40:55:12 – 00:40:57:03
Like what is that like for them
00:40:57:03 – 00:40:59:19
creative wise?
00:40:59:19 – 00:41:02:01
I, I think it’s it’s
00:41:02:01 – 00:41:04:15
probably changed a lot over the years.
00:41:04:15 – 00:41:06:03
I it’s funny,
00:41:06:03 – 00:41:06:20
I remember
00:41:06:20 – 00:41:10:06
when, I first started getting tattooed
00:41:10:20 – 00:41:13:10
it was still a little risky
00:41:13:10 – 00:41:16:15
to actually get an accurate,
00:41:16:16 – 00:41:18:15
replica
00:41:18:15 – 00:41:20:23
of a tattoo of a Disney character.
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I, I know this is wild,
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but there were stories back
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then where they would, sue people,
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you know, for having
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or having Disney images on that
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that weren’t changed.
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Which is
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I mean, this is a long time ago, but,
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yeah, obviously
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things have changed drastically.
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So I think in those times,
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artists had to make some alterations
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to it.
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So, you know,
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I mean, you can still hide it,
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I’m sure, but but just to be in alignment
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with their
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what they were requiring at the time.
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But, I think now
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it’s probably such a benefit to have
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that,
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you know, that core imagery
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because it, it it’s, you know, it’s so
00:42:15:21 – 00:42:19:07
well done and so, memorable,
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and then adding
00:42:21:00 – 00:42:22:18
those little touches to it
00:42:22:18 – 00:42:26:05
and your style, because everybody’s
00:42:26:05 – 00:42:29:23
got a little flair that makes their stuff
00:42:30:18 – 00:42:34:15
pop, you know, and whether it’s like,
00:42:34:15 – 00:42:36:11
watercolor version
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or maybe just black and gray,
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you know, taking a taking
00:42:40:23 – 00:42:42:13
a very colorful character,
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but just doing know, cool
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black and gray imagery or adding
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something behind it
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that means something to the person.
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I’m sure it.
00:42:53:22 – 00:42:54:08
Mr..
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It’s probably
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a different answer for tattoo artist.
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Right. There’s just
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sometimes just taking an image
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and making a stencil of it and pop,
00:43:07:08 – 00:43:08:09
you know, you’re done.
00:43:08:09 – 00:43:11:05
That’s that’s super easy.
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And and so
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but putting all that extra into
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it is makes it special and.
00:43:18:01 – 00:43:18:15
Yeah.
00:43:18:15 – 00:43:20:12
Yeah, that’s a good question though
00:43:20:12 – 00:43:22:20
I know I want to ask all these artists
00:43:22:20 – 00:43:25:15
what they think. Yeah.
00:43:25:15 – 00:43:28:00
Well and I know you had a presentation
00:43:28:00 – 00:43:31:07
at tag’s 2022 where you highlighted
00:43:31:07 – 00:43:32:13
a lot of the benefits,
00:43:32:13 – 00:43:34:07
the therapeutic benefits of tattooing.
00:43:34:07 – 00:43:36:21
And we have discussed some things,
00:43:36:21 – 00:43:38:12
but I’m curious for you,
00:43:38:12 – 00:43:40:02
for newer clinicians,
00:43:40:02 – 00:43:41:18
how can they bring up the subject
00:43:41:18 – 00:43:42:22
of someone’s tattoos?
00:43:42:22 – 00:43:43:17
You just straight up
00:43:43:17 – 00:43:44:16
ask them, like, what?
00:43:44:16 – 00:43:46:23
What have you noticed about the waves
00:43:46:23 – 00:43:48:21
and what have you noticed?
00:43:48:21 – 00:43:50:23
Has been therapeutic conversations
00:43:50:23 – 00:43:52:07
about it.
00:43:52:07 – 00:43:52:22
Well,
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I first, as I mentioned earlier, I,
00:43:56:17 – 00:44:00:20
I always embrace that when I see people
00:44:01:05 – 00:44:02:01
who are tattoo
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because I know
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from my own experience
00:44:04:17 – 00:44:07:01
that you have so many stories
00:44:07:01 – 00:44:08:06
to tell through it.
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So if somebody know
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this is and
00:44:11:07 – 00:44:14:00
and wants to talk about it, it’s,
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you know, it’s
00:44:14:19 – 00:44:17:03
it’s usually this open door
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that lets you.
00:44:18:14 – 00:44:21:05
Yeah, open up all kinds of things.
00:44:21:05 – 00:44:24:14
I think the main thing that I have found
00:44:24:14 – 00:44:25:05
has been so
00:44:25:05 – 00:44:28:05
valuable is through narrative therapy,
00:44:28:06 – 00:44:32:09
because tattoos are your storybook,
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you know,
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they are your way of telling your journey
00:44:35:19 – 00:44:37:03
and your story.
00:44:37:03 – 00:44:38:01
And a lot of times
00:44:38:01 – 00:44:40:09
when people are, do it
00:44:40:09 – 00:44:42:04
when we’re doing trauma work,
00:44:42:04 – 00:44:45:17
the whole goal is to rewrite that story
00:44:45:17 – 00:44:48:22
in a powerful, new, positive way.
00:44:49:12 – 00:44:52:18
And tattoos can be that stepping stone
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for that.
00:44:55:07 – 00:44:57:16
It’s, I
00:44:57:16 – 00:45:00:18
had a client a while ago who was in a
00:45:01:07 – 00:45:03:19
really, bad car accident
00:45:03:19 – 00:45:06:14
and had a few tattoos, but,
00:45:06:14 – 00:45:10:09
through the work, she decided
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to get a Phoenix tattoo,
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because it represents rebirth.
00:45:16:16 – 00:45:18:15
And it was strength.
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And,
00:45:20:02 – 00:45:23:01
it was such the incredible experience
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for her
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to even just making the appointment
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because this was,
00:45:28:21 – 00:45:29:12
this started
00:45:29:12 – 00:45:30:18
this whole new story
00:45:30:18 – 00:45:31:05
that now
00:45:31:05 – 00:45:34:08
she gets to tell as she’s healing
00:45:34:08 – 00:45:35:16
both physically
00:45:35:16 – 00:45:37:20
and mentally and emotionally.
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And each, tattoo session
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just brought so much for her as she was
00:45:45:08 – 00:45:46:15
coming out of something
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very traumatic into this beautiful
00:45:50:09 – 00:45:51:01
phoenix,
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you know, that actually represents that,
00:45:55:01 – 00:45:58:11
another way of seeing it work
00:45:58:21 – 00:46:02:09
very powerfully is, and just
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trigger warning
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in case anybody, struggles
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with self-harm,
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but, through self-harm scars,
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this
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this has become a really beautiful thing
00:46:15:04 – 00:46:16:16
that a lot of tattoo artists do
00:46:16:16 – 00:46:21:00
now to tattoo over and kind of with
00:46:21:05 – 00:46:22:15
the, the scars.
00:46:23:21 – 00:46:24:21
It’s so
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powerful and
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healing
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to be able to take something so painful
00:46:29:16 – 00:46:33:16
that you are want to grow and
00:46:33:16 – 00:46:35:14
and change from
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and cover it up with something beautiful
00:46:38:12 – 00:46:40:12
and where you used to look down
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and see something,
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you know, very hard
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And, now
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you have
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this whole new way of seeing that.
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So that’s
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that is a really incredible,
00:46:54:01 – 00:46:57:10
direction that a lot of artists do now.
00:46:58:07 – 00:47:00:23
Also, mastectomy
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tattoo is can be incredible
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new journey into again
00:47:07:03 – 00:47:08:21
something that we have been difficult
00:47:08:21 – 00:47:10:13
to get through you
00:47:10:13 – 00:47:11:14
Oh my gosh,
00:47:11:14 – 00:47:13:06
some of the mastectomy
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artists are so incredible.
00:47:14:22 – 00:47:17:08
Not only with 3D nipple tattoos,
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but also, just adorning it
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with flowers or octopus
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or whatever,
00:47:24:15 – 00:47:25:19
whatever it is
00:47:25:19 – 00:47:27:05
that you guys came up with,
00:47:27:05 – 00:47:30:04
and now you’ve transformed something
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into this very proud part of you.
00:47:34:06 – 00:47:35:09
Yeah.
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Same same for, the top surgery.
00:47:39:00 – 00:47:40:09
People
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that go through top surgery
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that want to have a 3D nipple tattooed,
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I, I’m sure you guys have seen the work.
00:47:48:04 – 00:47:50:19
It’s absolutely mind blowing.
00:47:50:19 – 00:47:53:16
It looks so, so real.
00:47:53:16 – 00:47:55:03
And. And how,
00:47:57:05 – 00:47:59:01
how wonderful.
00:47:59:01 – 00:47:59:10
Right.
00:47:59:10 – 00:48:00:03
For somebody
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to be able to have the opportunity
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to feel whole and and as themself.
00:48:07:12 – 00:48:09:16
So I know, something else
00:48:09:16 – 00:48:12:02
I’ve seen with tattoos in my practice,
00:48:12:02 – 00:48:13:22
as the audience might remember,
00:48:13:22 – 00:48:14:19
I specialize
00:48:14:19 – 00:48:15:18
with survivors
00:48:15:18 – 00:48:18:18
of child sexual abuse or sexual abuse
00:48:18:22 – 00:48:21:05
And so
00:48:21:05 – 00:48:22:15
getting any tattoo
00:48:22:15 – 00:48:25:04
feels like a reclaim of the body.
00:48:25:04 – 00:48:27:16
That right is like,
00:48:27:16 – 00:48:29:16
I can mark a moment of,
00:48:29:16 – 00:48:31:21
this moving forward is me,
00:48:31:21 – 00:48:33:23
like in my post-traumatic growth or,
00:48:33:23 – 00:48:35:05
exactly
00:48:35:05 – 00:48:38:03
like owning all parts of myself again.
00:48:38:03 – 00:48:38:10
Yeah.
00:48:38:10 – 00:48:41:18
And it could be as as simple as,
00:48:41:18 – 00:48:43:02
you know, some dots on the hand
00:48:43:02 – 00:48:44:19
or a little flower or on the hand right.
00:48:44:19 – 00:48:46:13
It can be very immaculate
00:48:46:13 – 00:48:49:22
It, and I know that,
00:48:50:14 – 00:48:52:02
that was the only way
00:48:52:02 – 00:48:53:19
that healing moving forward
00:48:53:19 – 00:48:55:09
was going to happen was
00:48:55:09 – 00:48:56:19
if my client could feel like
00:48:56:19 – 00:48:59:00
they owned their body again.
00:48:59:00 – 00:49:00:08
Right?
00:49:00:08 – 00:49:01:02
Yes.
00:49:01:02 – 00:49:03:20
It’s it’s so powerful.
00:49:03:20 – 00:49:05:10
It really is. It’s like
00:49:06:13 – 00:49:09:18
deciding to make that step
00:49:10:05 – 00:49:13:07
and using your own body as that,
00:49:13:20 – 00:49:17:16
that catalyst to be able to reclaim that.
00:49:17:16 – 00:49:19:12
Oh my gosh, it’s huge.
00:49:19:12 – 00:49:22:05
And I also always love
00:49:22:05 – 00:49:23:01
that you get to
00:49:23:01 – 00:49:25:07
where you get to hold it with you always.
00:49:25:07 – 00:49:26:06
You know,
00:49:26:06 – 00:49:29:07
because it’s not even like a moment
00:49:29:07 – 00:49:30:06
or a day
00:49:30:06 – 00:49:32:14
where you’re having this ceremony
00:49:32:14 – 00:49:33:21
or special thing.
00:49:33:21 – 00:49:36:21
It’s like something that you get to turn to
00:49:37:03 – 00:49:39:11
when you need to do to reminds you
00:49:39:11 – 00:49:40:16
that you did that.
00:49:40:16 – 00:49:42:09
You took back that power.
00:49:42:09 – 00:49:46:21
So I, I see it so often and I, I just
00:49:46:21 – 00:49:47:16
I love that
00:49:47:16 – 00:49:50:03
that’s something that is available
00:49:50:03 – 00:49:53:03
in in trauma work
00:49:53:03 – 00:49:55:21
and rewriting your story
00:49:55:21 – 00:49:57:08
with narrative therapy.
00:49:57:08 – 00:49:59:14
So yeah. Thank you.
00:49:59:14 – 00:50:00:02
You guys did
00:50:00:02 – 00:50:03:04
ask the question about, educational,
00:50:03:09 – 00:50:04:14
tools
00:50:04:14 – 00:50:07:00
that that teachers might be able to.
00:50:07:00 – 00:50:10:00
And I know we, we talked a lot about how
00:50:10:00 – 00:50:13:03
that is kind of a part of school now,
00:50:13:03 – 00:50:14:21
which makes me so happy.
00:50:14:21 – 00:50:16:21
But I did make a couple little notes
00:50:16:21 – 00:50:20:17
about, I thought, integrating tattoos
00:50:20:17 – 00:50:23:22
into curriculum in the cultural sense,
00:50:24:07 – 00:50:25:23
you know, is amazing
00:50:25:23 – 00:50:29:18
way to teach historical and
00:50:29:18 – 00:50:31:11
cultural significance
00:50:31:11 – 00:50:36:01
Introducing some of, like the
00:50:36:04 – 00:50:39:04
the Māori Tā moko or
00:50:39:06 – 00:50:42:00
Japanese Irezumi things
00:50:42:00 – 00:50:44:17
maybe having a guest speaker,
00:50:44:17 – 00:50:47:17
a, teacher could do either
00:50:47:17 – 00:50:48:21
a tattoo artist
00:50:48:21 – 00:50:51:06
or somebody who was very,
00:50:51:06 – 00:50:53:13
knowledgeable about tattoo history.
00:50:53:13 – 00:50:55:18
I think kids would love that.
00:50:55:18 – 00:50:57:11
And and maybe things
00:50:57:11 – 00:50:59:14
that they might be scared about asking.
00:50:59:14 – 00:51:02:04
They could feel comfortable with.
00:51:02:04 – 00:51:03:21
Yeah.
00:51:03:21 – 00:51:06:11
Obviously art in art class.
00:51:06:11 – 00:51:08:10
Just asking kids
00:51:08:10 – 00:51:09:14
to design their own
00:51:09:14 – 00:51:11:07
tattoo and, like, what?
00:51:11:07 – 00:51:14:03
Personal meaning that you have to them.
00:51:14:03 – 00:51:18:06
And just being able to explore symbolism
00:51:18:06 – 00:51:20:06
and the design elements
00:51:20:06 – 00:51:21:16
and all the cool things
00:51:21:16 – 00:51:23:22
you could do with art, of course.
00:51:23:22 – 00:51:26:16
And then had, Oh, I also see,
00:51:26:16 – 00:51:28:11
with literature,
00:51:28:11 – 00:51:29:20
creative writing
00:51:29:20 – 00:51:32:12
lady using tattoos as a motif
00:51:32:12 – 00:51:36:10
or a symbol for a creative writing.
00:51:36:10 – 00:51:40:07
Exercise to, like, analyze
00:51:40:15 – 00:51:43:13
characters or themes or plots or,
00:51:43:13 – 00:51:44:21
you know, just,
00:51:44:21 – 00:51:45:18
I guess
00:51:45:18 – 00:51:47:12
another big part of that to me
00:51:47:12 – 00:51:49:06
is normalizing it.
00:51:49:06 – 00:51:52:17
So it’s not something that feels so
00:51:53:09 – 00:51:54:06
taboo.
00:51:54:06 – 00:51:55:11
You know, I just
00:51:55:11 – 00:51:56:10
I really like that
00:51:56:10 – 00:51:58:03
because I did see online
00:51:58:03 – 00:52:00:06
somebody do a book writing assignment
00:52:00:06 – 00:52:00:19
where instead of
00:52:00:19 – 00:52:02:22
just writing like a book report,
00:52:02:22 – 00:52:05:05
they had to pick, like is
00:52:05:05 – 00:52:07:12
are they called jibbitz on the Crocs
00:52:07:12 – 00:52:10:02
widget? Yes. Yeah.
00:52:10:02 – 00:52:13:00
They had to make a Croc for the character
00:52:13:00 – 00:52:15:00
and put jibbitz on there.
00:52:15:00 – 00:52:17:19
So it’s like the character in your book.
00:52:17:19 – 00:52:19:15
Like what tattoos would they have?
00:52:19:15 – 00:52:20:04
Like,
00:52:20:04 – 00:52:22:02
would Ponyboy from The Outsiders
00:52:22:02 – 00:52:23:17
be wearing?
00:52:23:17 – 00:52:24:13
Exactly.
00:52:24:13 – 00:52:26:19
Like, there’s endless things, right,
00:52:26:19 – 00:52:28:10
that you could do.
00:52:28:10 – 00:52:30:10
I think that’s so cool.
00:52:30:10 – 00:52:30:20
That’s
00:52:30:20 – 00:52:34:14
that’s a great little, little assignment
00:52:34:20 – 00:52:36:01
that teacher do that would
00:52:37:13 – 00:52:40:01
Do you have any like, advice for anybody
00:52:40:01 – 00:52:41:01
who’s an aspiring
00:52:41:01 – 00:52:43:04
tattoo artist that you know,
00:52:43:04 – 00:52:44:09
wants to hone in on something
00:52:44:09 – 00:52:46:12
because there’s so many out there, but,
00:52:46:12 – 00:52:47:00
you know,
00:52:47:00 – 00:52:48:10
is there any advice that you would give
00:52:48:10 – 00:52:49:00
for somebody
00:52:49:00 – 00:52:52:00
to just believe in what they can do?
00:52:52:16 – 00:52:53:01
Yeah.
00:52:53:01 – 00:52:53:19
Well,
00:52:53:19 – 00:52:56:14
the best thing any aspiring tattoo
00:52:56:14 – 00:52:58:15
artist can do is to draw.
00:52:58:15 – 00:53:00:23
Draw a draw
00:53:00:23 – 00:53:03:11
Just like live.
00:53:03:11 – 00:53:05:07
Breathe. Practicing.
00:53:05:07 – 00:53:06:00
You know,
00:53:06:00 – 00:53:08:17
because it’s muscle memory, right?
00:53:08:17 – 00:53:10:11
So if you’ve done it
00:53:10:11 – 00:53:13:11
over and over on your iPad or your paper,
00:53:13:12 – 00:53:15:18
obviously going into to do that,
00:53:15:18 – 00:53:18:16
On skin is going to feel normal.
00:53:18:16 – 00:53:21:02
Interestingly enough,
00:53:21:02 – 00:53:23:16
because I lived in California and Oregon,
00:53:23:16 – 00:53:26:14
in Oregon, we’re one of the few states
00:53:26:14 – 00:53:29:23
that required tattoo school
00:53:29:23 – 00:53:33:20
a person has to go to tattoo school and,
00:53:33:20 – 00:53:35:05
finish a program
00:53:35:05 – 00:53:38:01
and take a test to be licensed.
00:53:38:01 – 00:53:40:22
So it’s a little bit different experience
00:53:40:22 – 00:53:42:12
here than what
00:53:42:12 – 00:53:44:09
I was used to coming from California,
00:53:44:09 – 00:53:48:04
where basically, you know, you can
00:53:48:13 – 00:53:50:13
you can hone your skills
00:53:50:13 – 00:53:52:20
and opening up shop basically, you know,
00:53:52:20 – 00:53:55:17
there are some, important,
00:53:55:17 – 00:53:57:04
like bloodborne pathogens
00:53:57:04 – 00:53:59:17
and things that you need to be.
00:53:59:17 – 00:54:00:15
Yeah.
00:54:00:15 – 00:54:03:21
But in Oregon, they’re a little bit,
00:54:04:03 – 00:54:05:19
more strict with,
00:54:05:19 – 00:54:07:23
who could get into the field,
00:54:07:23 – 00:54:10:10
which there’s a lot of debate
00:54:10:10 – 00:54:13:15
in the tattoo world on tattoo schools.
00:54:13:15 – 00:54:14:01
There’s
00:54:14:01 – 00:54:15:20
kind of the old school way
00:54:15:20 – 00:54:19:02
of doing an apprentice ship, earning
00:54:19:03 – 00:54:20:00
your way,
00:54:20:00 – 00:54:20:09
you know,
00:54:20:09 – 00:54:21:21
which used to be
00:54:21:21 – 00:54:23:22
the way that things were done.
00:54:23:22 – 00:54:26:12
And, So.
00:54:26:12 – 00:54:27:23
But in Oregon, you just
00:54:27:23 – 00:54:30:06
you don’t have a choice.
00:54:30:06 – 00:54:32:08
You know, even with the even though
00:54:32:08 – 00:54:33:14
people, you know,
00:54:33:14 – 00:54:35:01
want them to earn it
00:54:35:01 – 00:54:36:03
and go through the old school
00:54:36:03 – 00:54:38:05
boy, you just have to go to school.
00:54:38:05 – 00:54:42:17
So, but I, I say just draw,
00:54:42:17 – 00:54:46:12
live it, breathe it, do your research.
00:54:46:12 – 00:54:48:17
Follow amazing tattoo artists.
00:54:48:17 – 00:54:51:20
That inspiration is so huge.
00:54:52:05 – 00:54:54:20
One of the things that our books
00:54:54:20 – 00:54:55:12
that we used to
00:54:55:12 – 00:54:58:14
make, were made for that purpose.
00:54:58:14 – 00:55:01:00
They were inspirational books
00:55:01:00 – 00:55:04:00
to get people to give ideas and stuff
00:55:04:00 – 00:55:04:14
for others.
00:55:04:14 – 00:55:06:03
And the way we would do
00:55:06:03 – 00:55:08:21
it is we would have a theme
00:55:08:21 – 00:55:11:01
and we would open up a call for art.
00:55:11:01 – 00:55:12:11
So for instance,
00:55:12:11 – 00:55:15:04
we had like a book on birds,
00:55:15:04 – 00:55:18:04
on one on insects, one on skulls,
00:55:18:05 – 00:55:21:02
one on under the sea, you know, so
00:55:21:02 – 00:55:22:16
we would have an idea,
00:55:22:16 – 00:55:24:23
open up the call for art.
00:55:24:23 – 00:55:26:14
People would create tattoos
00:55:26:14 – 00:55:29:04
or drawings or paintings or sculptures,
00:55:29:04 – 00:55:30:19
whatever their need then was,
00:55:30:19 – 00:55:33:23
and then they would submit the images.
00:55:34:06 – 00:55:35:01
And then once
00:55:35:01 – 00:55:37:03
we would get all of that stuff after,
00:55:37:03 – 00:55:38:19
we usually have, submissions open
00:55:38:19 – 00:55:40:14
for like 6 to 8 months,
00:55:40:14 – 00:55:41:15
and then we would take
00:55:41:15 – 00:55:42:19
all the submissions
00:55:42:19 – 00:55:44:07
and, and kind of choose
00:55:44:07 – 00:55:46:08
what was going to be in the books.
00:55:46:08 – 00:55:49:23
And they became kind of,
00:55:50:14 – 00:55:52:19
inspirational tools that a lot of tattoo
00:55:52:19 – 00:55:54:08
artists have in their shop,
00:55:54:08 – 00:55:55:15
so that when people come in
00:55:55:15 – 00:55:58:15
and they can look at ideas for that.
00:55:58:15 – 00:56:02:13
So, gathering, books and,
00:56:02:17 – 00:56:06:07
just all kinds of the line drawings
00:56:06:07 – 00:56:09:10
and anything you can do to practice
00:56:09:10 – 00:56:13:08
and just understand, what it takes
00:56:13:08 – 00:56:14:00
because it’s,
00:56:15:12 – 00:56:16:02
you have to be
00:56:16:02 – 00:56:17:04
very dedicated
00:56:17:04 – 00:56:19:20
to that craft to do well in it.
00:56:19:20 – 00:56:23:01
And, yeah, I love that.
00:56:23:01 – 00:56:25:18
It’s there are so many tattoo artists.
00:56:25:18 – 00:56:26:00
Yeah.
00:56:26:00 – 00:56:27:05
Which is so different
00:56:27:05 – 00:56:29:08
from when I first started.
00:56:29:08 – 00:56:31:04
But it’s so exciting to see
00:56:31:04 – 00:56:33:00
how many young people
00:56:33:00 – 00:56:34:20
are coming into the field.
00:56:34:20 – 00:56:36:08
It’s pretty cool.
00:56:36:08 – 00:56:37:02
They. Yeah.
00:56:37:02 – 00:56:38:19
I think, when talking about,
00:56:38:19 – 00:56:41:01
like, family members and tattoos,
00:56:41:01 – 00:56:43:12
my first family member
00:56:43:12 – 00:56:45:09
that had a tattoo that I saw.
00:56:45:09 – 00:56:46:05
So maybe others
00:56:46:05 – 00:56:47:03
did, you know,
00:56:47:03 – 00:56:50:03
it was my great Uncle Fred.
00:56:50:04 – 00:56:51:20
He was one of the last people
00:56:51:20 – 00:56:53:03
to be in the horse Calvary.
00:56:53:03 – 00:56:56:03
So he’s, you know, old, old man.
00:56:56:14 – 00:56:58:16
And he was, he was a marine,
00:56:58:16 – 00:56:59:19
and he was in the Navy.
00:56:59:19 – 00:57:02:02
So you you got to get a tattoo.
00:57:02:02 – 00:57:03:13
You just. Right.
00:57:03:13 – 00:57:06:15
So on his arm, he had a naked woman,
00:57:06:22 – 00:57:09:19
and he comes home and my great great
00:57:09:19 – 00:57:10:15
aunt goes,
00:57:10:15 – 00:57:12:13
you put some clothes on that lady.
00:57:13:16 – 00:57:15:06
So you had a tattoo, you
00:57:15:06 – 00:57:17:04
a bathing suit over her.
00:57:17:04 – 00:57:19:15
And so when I, I knew him, he was
00:57:19:15 – 00:57:22:10
he was in his 80s, into his 90s.
00:57:22:10 – 00:57:23:22
He was rolling around his wheelchair
00:57:23:22 – 00:57:24:19
and he would be like,
00:57:24:19 – 00:57:26:19
I can make her dance.
00:57:26:19 – 00:57:29:05
And we would just sit there
00:57:29:05 – 00:57:31:15
and he would make his, his lady dance.
00:57:31:15 – 00:57:32:11
And.
00:57:32:11 – 00:57:34:07
Yeah, it was,
00:57:34:07 – 00:57:35:22
when I knew him, it was fading.
00:57:35:22 – 00:57:37:18
It was obviously really old ink.
00:57:37:18 – 00:57:38:15
And so she was
00:57:38:15 – 00:57:41:15
both bathing suit and naked.
00:57:41:19 – 00:57:43:13
It’s like, no.
00:57:43:13 – 00:57:46:14
Oh, my God, I love that he went for it.
00:57:46:16 – 00:57:48:01
Yes, but for. Right.
00:57:48:01 – 00:57:49:13
And on his arm.
00:57:49:13 – 00:57:51:21
Yeah. That’s a very prominent place.
00:57:51:21 – 00:57:53:13
Oh, it’s right here. Yeah.
00:57:53:13 – 00:57:54:21
Oh. In the.
00:57:54:21 – 00:57:56:17
Oh, no.
00:57:56:17 – 00:57:58:07
Yeah. Watch her dance
00:58:01:08 – 00:58:01:21
Good for him.
00:58:01:21 – 00:58:03:21
Him? What was his name?
00:58:03:21 – 00:58:04:07
Fred.
00:58:04:07 – 00:58:05:11
Everybody called him Bus
00:58:05:11 – 00:58:07:15
and I called him Uncle Fred and. Yeah.
00:58:07:15 – 00:58:09:07
Rest in peace,he
00:58:09:07 – 00:58:11:19
he loved his little naked lady tattoo.
00:58:11:19 – 00:58:14:04
And his mama said, you he she said,
00:58:14:04 – 00:58:15:13
put some clothes on her.
00:58:15:13 – 00:58:18:13
You make her a right woman.
00:58:18:18 – 00:58:19:17
So.
00:58:19:17 – 00:58:22:07
Yeah, Good for him, man.
00:58:22:07 – 00:58:25:15
You see, like those during that time,
00:58:26:02 – 00:58:29:13
it was, you know, a lot of a lot of,
00:58:29:13 – 00:58:30:04
you know,
00:58:30:04 – 00:58:33:17
naval officers or motorcycle gangs.
00:58:33:22 – 00:58:34:08
It’s like,
00:58:34:08 – 00:58:36:16
you know, it’s that old school,
00:58:36:16 – 00:58:37:22
that stigma
00:58:37:22 – 00:58:40:02
that that kind of stuck for so long.
00:58:40:02 – 00:58:42:17
But for him, that’s so cute.
00:58:42:17 – 00:58:44:16
That’s a great story.
00:58:44:16 – 00:58:45:00
Yeah.
00:58:45:00 – 00:58:46:17
And then, as the listeners know,
00:58:46:17 – 00:58:47:19
my dad is in the Navy,
00:58:47:19 – 00:58:49:06
but he was deathly afraid of needles,
00:58:49:06 – 00:58:50:05
so that was the only reason
00:58:50:05 – 00:58:51:13
he didn’t get a tattoo.
00:58:51:13 – 00:58:53:04
And,
00:58:53:04 – 00:58:55:19
I guess my grandma had to pick it up.
00:58:57:16 – 00:58:58:18
I you okay?
00:58:58:18 – 00:59:00:07
So it’s like my aunt with the lips,
00:59:00:07 – 00:59:01:14
my grandma with the eyeliner.
00:59:01:14 – 00:59:03:05
So I guess I have to have eyebrows.
00:59:03:05 – 00:59:05:19
Like, that’s the only other. Oh,
00:59:05:19 – 00:59:07:06
that I know
00:59:07:06 – 00:59:10:01
you are definitely next, don’t you think?
00:59:10:01 – 00:59:11:04
Stefanie? She.
00:59:11:04 – 00:59:14:04
It’s got to be up.
00:59:14:05 – 00:59:15:10
Yeah.
00:59:15:10 – 00:59:17:09
Well, this is completely lovely.
00:59:17:09 – 00:59:20:10
And before we wrap up, Dr. Jinxi
00:59:20:10 – 00:59:21:15
where can our listeners
00:59:21:15 – 00:59:23:14
find more information about your work
00:59:23:14 – 00:59:25:03
and maybe some resources
00:59:25:03 – 00:59:25:22
that you’d recommend
00:59:25:22 – 00:59:27:02
for those interested
00:59:27:02 – 00:59:28:04
in the positive mental
00:59:28:04 – 00:59:30:00
health effects of tattoos?
00:59:30:00 – 00:59:32:01
Oh, thank you for asking.
00:59:32:01 – 00:59:32:11
You know,
00:59:32:11 – 00:59:34:03
I do have,
00:59:34:03 – 00:59:36:08
there’s an amazing tattoo artist.
00:59:36:08 – 00:59:39:16
She’s also an interdisciplinary artist
00:59:39:16 – 00:59:41:15
in many amazing mediums.
00:59:41:15 – 00:59:44:16
But her name is Tamara Santibanez
00:59:45:03 – 00:59:46:12
and she wrote,
00:59:46:12 – 00:59:49:07
I think it was 2021 or 2022.
00:59:49:07 – 00:59:51:00
She wrote this really incredible
00:59:51:00 – 00:59:52:02
book called,
00:59:52:02 – 00:59:52:22
Could This
00:59:52:22 – 00:59:56:11
Be Magic Tattooing as Liberation Work.
00:59:57:00 – 00:59:59:06
And it’s beautiful.
00:59:59:06 – 01:00:04:12
It’s, it talks about, trauma
01:00:04:17 – 01:00:06:06
and, you know,
01:00:06:06 – 01:00:09:06
using tattooing as a way to,
01:00:09:06 – 01:00:12:18
kind of help people create boundaries
01:00:13:04 – 01:00:16:03
and shape being like, a more ethical
01:00:16:03 – 01:00:19:23
way of doing that work,
01:00:19:23 – 01:00:21:09
in with it
01:00:21:09 – 01:00:24:09
through a, trauma informed lens.
01:00:24:15 – 01:00:27:07
And she has the full pdf of that book
01:00:27:07 – 01:00:29:18
for free actually on her website.
01:00:29:18 – 01:00:33:10
So it’s I highly recommend that,
01:00:33:10 – 01:00:34:21
and then there’s another,
01:00:34:21 – 01:00:37:21
I think it’s from the early 2000,
01:00:37:23 – 01:00:39:05
but it’s called
01:00:39:05 – 01:00:42:19
Tattooed: The Socio Genesis of Body Art.
01:00:43:05 – 01:00:45:00
And it’s really a great book
01:00:45:00 – 01:00:46:14
by Michael Atkinson,
01:00:46:14 – 01:00:49:17
and it has a lot of research in it
01:00:49:17 – 01:00:50:22
that connects,
01:00:50:22 – 01:00:53:05
a lot of the psychological,
01:00:53:05 – 01:00:56:05
components that we talked about today.
01:00:56:06 – 01:00:58:20
So definitely recommend those.
01:00:58:20 – 01:01:04:09
And then me, I oh, thank my,
01:01:04:09 – 01:01:05:08
my website
01:01:05:08 – 01:01:08:15
for my practice is, drjinxi.com
01:01:10:00 – 01:01:12:10
And then my, Instagram,
01:01:12:10 – 01:01:15:10
like, my personal Instagram is @Jinxi
01:01:16:18 – 01:01:22:05
Our tattoo shop is @OOSTattoo
01:01:22:05 – 01:01:25:01
And, the book publishing
01:01:25:01 – 01:01:29:09
company is @OutofStepBooks
01:01:29:09 – 01:01:32:03
and, all of our tattoo and art
01:01:32:03 – 01:01:33:15
books can be found.
01:01:33:15 – 01:01:37:01
oosbooks.com
01:01:38:08 – 01:01:41:01
And I think that’s it.
01:01:41:01 – 01:01:42:03
You can find me a like
01:01:42:03 – 01:01:44:03
LinkedIn and ResearchGate
01:01:44:03 – 01:01:47:03
with some of my my research, with just
01:01:47:03 – 01:01:50:03
putting my name in it.
01:01:50:12 – 01:01:52:02
Wonderful, wonderful.
01:01:52:02 – 01:01:52:13
Well,
01:01:52:13 – 01:01:54:15
if you have an amazing Disney
01:01:54:15 – 01:01:55:04
tattoo,
01:01:55:04 – 01:01:57:06
please DM us an image of it
01:01:57:06 – 01:01:59:00
@HappiestPodGT
01:01:59:00 – 01:02:02:03
You can find us on IG and on X.
01:02:02:15 – 01:02:03:03
Thank you,
01:02:03:03 – 01:02:04:19
Dr. Jinxi this is a beautiful,
01:02:04:19 – 01:02:06:06
wonderful conversation.
01:02:06:06 – 01:02:08:08
So much for joining.
01:02:08:08 – 01:02:11:10
Hopefully me or Ariel could visit
01:02:11:10 – 01:02:13:18
you one day. Oh, I would love that.
Media/Characters Mentioned
• Alice in Wonderland
• Nightmare Before Christmas
• Toy Story (Woody)
• Moana
• Pocahontas
• Tinkerbell
• Lilo & Stitch
• Mickey Mouse (parks food)
• Star Wars (lightsabers, rebels)
• Marvel (Captain America, Black Panther)
Topics/Themes Mentioned
- Tattoo culture and stigma
- Identity and self-expression
- Disney nostalgia and fandom
- Permanent makeup & family traditions
- Healing through art
- Storytelling through bodywork
- Representation in education and therapy
- Cultural tattoo practices
- Tattoos as community and connection
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